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    November 26, 2012
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of supervisors will not take action on the term sheet or any other items that are listed here, until the cac holds meeting. so i just wanted to clarify from the city attorney's point of view, i know this is a resolution and so in many ways it's not necessarily a binding piece of legislation so technically the board could still act. however it does signal an intent so i wanted to ask office of economic and workforce development, in terms of the cac actually being able to schedule a meeting who actually controls making sure that we actually have timely meetings that are set up to review these items? i think it's important that the cac look at these items but if we were to have individuals who maybe didn't want to see it move forward if they chose not to have meetings would that then put the board in a bad situation where we would have passed a piece of legislation and said we will not take action until they hear it but no meetings have been scheduled. can you explain that for me. >> president chiu: ms. matz. >> thank you through the chair, jennifer matz from the office of economic and workforce
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development. just in the last week we've been better trying to organize our outreach to the cac including the intention to set up twice monthly meetings that would be standing meetings on the first and third mondays that's not set yet. part of the idea is to establish regular meetings that we hold quite frequently including setting up subcommittee structures that allows smaller groups to delve into discreet issues involving the arena project in a more substantive way and of course reporting back to a full cac. so i'm confident that we will have ongoing and regular meetings between now and, you know, really throughout 2013. i wouldn't want to bind -- or prohibit the board of supervisors from being able to act if a particular meeting did not occur but it is certainly our intention to be having robust meetings over the next year. >> supervisor kim: and then to -- >> supervisor chu: in terms of holding these cac pleeghts if you don't have a quorum of cac members -- >> so we not only have a number
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of cac members, we also have alternatives and as a result we're able to draw upon those alternates to fill a quorum for the cac. i think the total number is -- we have 16 members and 16 alternates as well. >> supervisor chu: i could be wrong about the number of alternates. >> so i think it's our intention that we would be able to reach quorum for those meetings. i think our intention would be to schedule them early enough to ensure that we can meet the deadlines that we have here at the board of supervisors, as they will come up this spring. i certainly think urging language rather than requiring language we would heed the urge and it is fully our intention to have these meetings on a twice monthly basis. >> supervisor chu: thank you. so given that, i appreciate the comments of oewd and their
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intention to hold meetings, to be able to make sure that we meet these, and i'm positive that you will continue to do that and we will have meetings that are actually held before the cac and they will be able to review all of these documents. i do feel uncomfortable with binding the board's action even though this is a resolution. and so i will be supporting underlying item but not the amendment. thank you. >> president chiu: is there any further discussion? let's take a roll call vote on the motion to amend. >> clerk calvillo: supervisor avalos, aye. supervisor campos, aye. president chiu, aye. supervisor chu, no. supervisor cohen, aye. supervisor elsbernd, no. supervisor farrell, no. supervisor kim, aye. supervisor mar, aye. supervisor olague, aye. supervisor wiener, aye. there are eight ayes and three
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nos. >> president chiu: motion to amend passes. unless there is further discussion, let's take a roll call vote on the underlying resolution as amended. >> clerk calvillo: on item 25 as amended, supervisor avalos, aye. supervisor campos, aye. president chiu, aye. supervisor chu, aye. supervisor cohen, aye. supervisor elsbernd, aye. supervisor farrell, aye. supervisor kim, aye. supervisor mar, aye. supervisor olague, aye. supervisor wiener, aye. there are 11 ayes. >> president chiu: the resolution is adopted. item 26. >> clerk calvillo: item 26 is a resolution authorizing the department of environment to retroactively accept and expend a grant in the amount 400,000 from the u.s. department of environment, environmental protection to support brown fields assessment projects. >> president chiu: same house same call? this resolution is adopted. item 27. >> clerk calvillo: item 27
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resolution authorizing the department of emergency management to retroactively accept and expend a fiscal year 2012 program grant in the amount of 29 million from the us department of homeland security through the california emergency management agency for the periods of october 12, 2012 through may 31, 2014. >> president chiu: same house same call, the resolution is adopted. >> clerk calvillo: item 28 a mast lease extension for the department of ha public health n mission street for approximately 32.36 million per month with annual increases. >> president chiu: same house same call, this resolution is adopted. next item. >> clerk calvillo: item 29 is a resolution authorizing the department of public health to retroactively accept and dispend a grant in the amount of approximately $197.1 to participate in a program monitoring project for the period july 1, 2012 through may
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31, 2013. >> president chiu: same house same call, this resolution is adopted. next item. >> clerk calvillo: item 30, resolution authorizing the department of public health to rets actively accept and expend a grant in the amount of 300,000 to participate in a program entitled enhancing engagement in retention in quality hiv care for transgenders women of color for the period september 1, 2012 through -- 30, 2013. >> president chiu: same house same call, this resolution is adopted. >> clerk calvillo: item 31, resolution authorizing the department of public health to retroactively accept and expend a grant in the amount of 300,000 to participate in a program entitled special projects of national significance program building a medical home for multiply diagnosed hiv positive homeless populations for the(ñ'h period september 1, 2013 through august 30, 2013. >> president chiu: same house same call this resolution is adopted. >> clerk calvillo: amending the police code to prohibit
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nudity on public streets, sidewalks, streed medians, plazas and on public transit vehicles, stations, platforms and stops, except as permitted in parades, fairs and festivals. >> supervisor chiu: supervisor wiener. >> supervisor wiener: thank you, mr. president. and welcome, everyone. colleagues, today, we have before us legislation restricting public nudity in parts of san francisco. this legislation, which is much more narrow than the broad nudity ban that has been in place in our parks and port for decades acknowledges that public nudity in part of san francisco, and that it's appropriate in some circumstances. the legislation also acknowledges that public nudity is not always appropriate and particularly in our neighborhoods and commercial districts, where we all have to
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together, public nudity can go too far. for many years, public nudity has been part of san francisco. we have it at our street fairs, parades, beaches, some of our bars, and the occasional and sporadic naked person wandering our streets. for many years it wasn't a big deal and few people cared. over the past two years, the situation on our streets and particularly in the castro has changed. it's no longer random and sporadic. it's no longer an occasional quirky part of san francisco. rather than in the castro it's seven days a week, pretty much every single day in this neighborhood where people live, work, play, and conduct their lives. this legislation is not about cock rings but not the hart of what this legislation is about, which is that seven days a week,
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men, and it's almost always men but not always, stand at castro market and often elsewhere, displaying genitals to anyone walking, driving, or just passing by. it's very much a hey, look what i have mentality. we're seeing it in some other neighborhoods as well. the situation in the castro, which has become extreme, developed around the time i took office. there were immediate calls on me resisted those calls for almost two years, because it's not what i wanted to do. i did not want to restrict public nudity, because although i have disagreements with the opponents of this legislation, i viewpoint. believed that the situation in theajpho castro would run its c. but the situation has not run its course. upoinstead, it's only gotten moe
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consistent and more over the top. many people in this neighborhood are over it, and believe it's time to take action. and after two years, i now agree. this legislation, colleagues, is significantly more narrow&jpvz n the broad public nudity bans that have been in place for over 30 years in our parks, and more than a decade at our port. it is narrower in terms of the body parts covered. it is narrower in that it does not require that it ever be charged as a misdemeanor. it can be charged as an infraction indefinitely. and in addition, unlike in our parks, this legislation creates a broad and blanket exemption for street fairs, festivals and parades unlike our parks code for example during the pride parade it is technically illegal to be naked in city center plaza which is a park. in addition this legislation has no application at all to beaches, or of course to private
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property. the castro and san francisco in general is a place of freedom, expression and acceptance. but freedom expression and acceptance doesn't mean anything goes under any circumstance, itw doesn't mean that we have no standards whatsoever of behavior. freedom, expression and acceptance don't mean that people can do whatever pops into their heads, no matter what the impacts on others or on the neighborhood. as a result, i introduce legislation to extend a narrower version of our existing nudity plazas, parklets and public transportation. to acknowledge that our public spaces are for everyone, and that, as a result, it's appropriate to have some minimal standards of behavior so that everyone can enjoy these spaces. this legislation and the issue generally has generated significant and intense debate community, and in the city as a
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whole. i don't pretend that there's unanimity around this legislation. there are strong views, legitimate strong views on both sides. but i do believe that the legislation has strong support in the community. and i'm not just talking about support from newspapers like the bay area reporter and the chronicle or community leaders like cleve jones or neighborhood groups. i'm talking about everyday citizens who live work and lead their lives in this wonderful neighborhood. some have suggested this legislation resulted from straight people somehow invading the castro or people in noe valley objecting to nudity in the castro or more people raising children or local business owners. that is not the case and very few castro businesses have been vocal about this. i say this as a gay man who was drawn to the castro in the 1990's because of its status as a gay mecca and safe space. i found some of the rhetoric
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around this issue to be offensive and demonization of gay people and gay and straight who have children. castro is a neighborhood for everyone, for people with kids, without kids, people running businesses, people who work there, live there, who come into our wonderful neighborhood to enjoy themselves. to be very clear this legislation did not result in any sense from straight people or people with kids or merchants or people from noe valley complaining about public nudity. the dominant demographic expressing concern over the daily seven days a week nudity in the castro has been gay men. i've heard from far more childless gay men in support of this legislation than from noe valley people. i'm not just talking about new newbies but gay many who have lived in this neighborhood for years. one final point, specifically there are some who have said
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that there are already laws in the books that cover this situation. that is simply not the case. which i whies berkeley, san joée and other california cities have their own public nudity restriction beyond the if there were already laws in place to address this situation, i would not have introduced this legislation. public nudity, currently, is not -- is legal in san francisco, other than in our parks, port, and in restaurants. there's been a suggestion that we should use lewd behavior laws, particularly the indecent exposure provisions of the california penal code. i don't agree with that. i think that using lewd behavior laws is problematic and ineffective. first of all, there are going to be a lot of borderline cases about whether something is lewd or not lewd and you're putting a police officer in a terrible position of trying to determine is this person a little bit aroused or not aroused, is that
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adornment on the person's genitals lewd or not lewd, did he shake his genitals a little too vigorously to draw attention. no police officer should make that determination and to be blunt no police officer will. if addition if left with the choice of only charging someone with indecent exposure for lewd behavior under state law as some in opposition to this legislation are suggesting if you're convicted of indecent exposure you become a registered sex offender when you're done. my legislation that we're considering today will not result in sex offender registry. colleagues, as i stated at the beginning -- as i stated at the beginning, i gave this issue time to work itself out. it didn't. and the time has come to act. this is a narrow and reasonable piece of legislation, and i ask for your support. colleagues, i've also distributed some amendments that are not substantive to you. they include findings at the
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beginning. the phrase public rights of way, we've moved the location of the severability provision, and in addition we've provided an operative date of february 1, 2013, or 30 days after the mayor signs, whichever is later, which would be likely february 1, 2013. and so i move those amendments. >> president chiu: supervisor wiener's made a motion to amend. is there a second to the motion? seconded by supervisor farrell. any discussion to the motions colleagues? can we take the motion without objection? without objection that shall be the case. further discussion. supervisor campos. >> supervisor campos: thank you very much, mr. president. and i want to begin by thanking all the members of the public who are not only here, but also who have been corresponding to all of us on the board of supervisors in the last few weeks about this item. let me say that one of the things that i find disturbing
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about the discussion debate that has transpired has been the fact that there has been vilification of people on the opposing side. i don't think that some of the characterization of for instance the proponent of this legislation have been fair, and i think that this was one of those issues where reasonable people can disagree. and my hope is that, irrespective of what happens on this vote today, that we can have respectful dialogue about this. the reality is that all of us, as district supervisors, understand that there are important issues to each one of our respective districts, that have a unique flavor and character to them. and the question that we often face is whether or not, in dealing with those issues, we
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have to approach the matter in a way that actually impacts the entirety of the city, which is what's happening here. you have one neighborhood that -- where this issue has come up, and now you have legislation that it passed, would it impact the entire city. and let me say that i certainly don't take the concerns that have been identified by supervisor wiener lightly. i understand that there are many people who reside in the castro, who reside in district 8, that have, you know, a very serious concerns about what's happening. and the question is not the issue of how serious this is, but simply what the best approach to addressing the situation is. and that's what it has come down to for me. and let me say that the main concern that i have, with respect to this legislation, is
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an issue of priorities. as a city, in terms of we, as a body, on the board of supervisors, thinking about the legislative actions that are needed and the things that we need to prioritize as a legislative body, for me, i question whether or not this rises to the level that it should be a priority. not that it's not an important issue, but let's just take the example that this legislation passes and there is a nudity ban in the city and county of san francisco. and let's just say that once the ban is in place, you have a number of individuals who defy the ban, andjru÷et( ÷ actuallyo be nude in public. at some point, law enforcement will be called in to enforce the law that was just passed, and at jp$éó point, resources will be expended by our law enforcement agencies to enforce thatwjp law.
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i represent district 9. district 9 includes the neighborhood of the mission, which actually shares a police station with district 8, with the castro. mission station, mission police station, serves both the castro and the mission. and i]b@%ñ can tell you that evy time that an incident happens in district 9, and unfortunately recently we have been talking about violent incidents and i call the captain and ask for more foot patrols and i ask for increasing the timeliness of the response, i ask for different strategies to deal with violent crime, the response repeatedly is i don't have the resources, i don't have the resources to do all the things that need to be done, i don't -- i think the captain is doing as much as anyone can possibly do, given the limited resources we have. but we do live in a time of limited resources. and when it comes to what is the
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best and most effective way of using those limited resources, not that enforcing nudity laws is not important, but on the scale of how important it is relative to violent crime, i think that the focus should be violent crime. and i do fear that, if this law is passed, that the limited resources that, in this case the mission station has, are better spent focusing on preventing violent crime in other parts of the district. happening in the castro, not to minimize the seriousness of what's going on, but we do have government. we have to make choices in terms of what our priorities are. and until we get to a point that we have the level of staffing of our police department, where in fact we have the bodies to do everything that>q= needs to be e around community policing, i don't believe we're at the point where we can say that this becomes a priority over the violent crime that is happening
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in some parts of this city. that is a very real concern that i have. and, you know, supervisor wiener said that we don't-á( want to pt our police officers in a terrible position. i do think that putting police officers in a situation where they have to choose where resources are deployed is a terrible position. and i would rather not make that the priority for this city. do have limited resources, and i think that in terms of priorities going forward, i think that violent crime, when it comes to the deployment of law enforcement should be the priority,.<( 8gç o have a concern that this might get in the way of that. but the second point that i want to make is -- and i'd like to hear more about this, and maybe supervisor wiener can enlighten us on this. but i would like to know more about what efforts have been done -- have been taken to
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actually bring the different parties, that are implicated here, together. you know, we have a history of these kinds of issues being mediated. there are agencies like the human rights commission that have played a role in other kinds of disputes. and i'm wondering whether or not there has been an effort to actually bring the different parties to the table. the folks that have legitimate concerns about what's happening in the castro, you mentioned the parents, you mentioned the single people who have issues with this as well, making sure that their voices are represented, and that we have a discussion with them, and some of the people that are advocating against this ban. what kind of efforts have we actually taken to make sure that we in fact have done everything we can, short of taking the steps of actually having a citywide ban. again, i think that there may be instances when something like this is appropriate. but i don't know if we have reached that point yet. so i'd like to know more about
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what's happening -- what's happened with respect to efforts to mediate this dispute. and if it is the case that in fact all efforts to mediate have been exhausted, and that we have in fact explored the different options that are out there, then maybe we can have a conversation. fact has taken place. the last thing that i would say -- and i know that much debate will be had here, and my colleagues have other things to add, is i do worry, whenever as a lawyer, whenever you have ac4 ban of specific conduct and then you proceed to have exceptions to that ban. in this case, we have a nudity ban, but we have some exceptions as to when nudity might be acceptable. and i do have%("az a concern abt how it is that we came up with those exceptions. if there is going to be a ban on nudity, how is it that we decided that nudity in some
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instances is okay, how is it that we decide that nudity in an event, parade, might be appropriate, but not on a day at a specific neighborhood. issues around free expression, you want to make sure that you're careful about how you craft those exceptions. so i'd like to hear more about that. but  the i look forward toql%( discussion, and more than anything else, i think that this is one of those issues where hope that it is an opportunity for us, as a city, to have respectful dialogue on what is an issue where clearly there are different opinions. >> president chiu: supervisor olague. >> supervisor olague: in many ways i think that this is a solution looking for a problem. because with the exception of a small area in the castro, i'm not certain that this has reached such epidemic proportion
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that it nes estates a citywide7e ban on nudity. the whole idea of this being a form of expression, not unlike -- that is sort of being limited, and in some ways is -- i don't know, is an imposition on a person's freedom of expression or civil liberties, i think that that's another conversation that i'm interested in having at some point. but it clearly isn't going to happen today. so -- but i do believe that when we start to surrender some of these basic rights, citywide, that, you know, what's next. you know, a lot of people think that that's cliché butkk%( 1añ k tattooing or yellow hair, or what. so i just -- i think it's
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unfortunate. too, i agree with most of the -- i think everything that supervisor campos said, and that is especially it's unfortunate that some agency, whether it's the human rights commission, or some civic leaders, couldn't just bring people together to discuss how to mitigate this issue, and the way it's castro. it's a very different scene from when i moved to the castro in 1982. so this whole again idea of expression and civil liberties and these sorts of issues i think can't be understated at all. and then finally, i think that supervisor campos again mentioned -- i mean just unfortunate that issues like nudity takes such a big level -- it takes a great deal of attention when you have all these issues around gang violence, that are happening, bullying, achievement gaps in high schools, cost of housing,
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unemployment, you have all these other issues that are so critical to how the quality of life and, you know, people's ability to stay in san francisco or not. and, you know, so much focus is given to this issue of nudity. so i mean i guess here we are. the media loves issues like nudity. while, you know, people are, you know, dying in the streets. i don't know. again, when it comes to priorities, it just seems a little bit on the absurd side to me. raised for people who, you know, feel uncomfortable with this, you know, in their neighborhood. but i just haven't seen it really outside of this area, as being an issue, necessarily. and certainly mental health is frequently ignored and last time i saw somebody take their
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clothes off it was due to that and they strip down and sit in front of a muni bus and lay in front of it. that's a public health issue that's sort of outside this conversation but i'm just saying that, you know, outside of the street fairs and this isolated area, i'm not convinced that this is something that is necessarily being abused in a way that wouldrjjíñ meritñnúñ g more public resources into this area. that's all. so i can't support it. i just don't support it. >> president chiu: supervisor avalos. >> supervisor avalos: thank you, president chiu. i can appreciate supervisor wiener's wanting to bring this forward as an issue. i think that he's received a lot of commentary about it over the years. and it seems